he didn't get as many of the mormon vote as john mccain did, governor. i mean -- >> -- i don't understand that. >> laura: we're beyond kind of niceties at this point. >> i'm still nice. >> laura: if you can't get the mormon vote in the same numbers as john mccain, something was really wrong with this campaign. and i like him very much. i think ann is delightful. i love the bushes. these people are wonderful people. but being wonderful and running a great campaign maybe are two different things sometimes. >> one of the problems that the conservatives have. they continue to want a perfect candidate and they are not going to get one. >> laura: sure. >> that's one of the reasons they don't get a perfect candidate well i'm not going to help anybody. when conservatives will give money and they will will actually give their energy and they will accept the fact that whatever candidate they support will have some flaws he won't be perfect. this, i think pushed to perfection ends up leading to anything but the -- you think that's what it was? a push to perfection